Christian Fail

[mirrorshard]

I wanted to write something about this (via fjm) but I haven't the heart to do more than rant bitterly. That kind of sheer wrongheaded childishness... the pathetic naivety of their idea that God may be compelled or persuaded by prayer, or indeed that God has enemies...

We're told that He smut^[1] a few people in the past, but that's all over, if indeed it ever did happen. He's grown up now, a Father and everything, and I'd like to think that we're better people too - or at least that He picks His friends more carefully than He did then.

I know that the crazyweird morons will always be with us, but it's always depressing to be reminded of their existence. And I do have faith that I'm not going to have to go have That Talk with Himself... you know the one.

"Look, I love you, you know that. But if you smite anything, just one more time, it's all over between us. I'm not prepared to be with a smiter. The God I fell in love with would never do that."

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[1] Yes, that is the correct past tense of 'smite'. He smites; the target becomes smut.

Comments

[weegoddess.livejournal.com]

Actually, the word might(?) be 'smote' as in 'He smote those perverts'. But I do agree with the rest of it. People will find any reason to justify their beliefs and even make up stories to do it. My problem is when the try to force their beliefs on others.

[mirrorshard.livejournal.com]

Well, a 'smut' is a small greasy mark left behind by a fire or (for instance) a lightning strike...

[mirabehn.livejournal.com]

*snickers*

[elettaria.livejournal.com]

It's either smote or smited, but hey, I assumed mirrorshard was being playful.

Don't you have to ignore more of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament to Christians) than is usual in Christianity to get rid of all the smiting? It was always something that bothered me as well when I was practising Judaism (for those who don't know me, I didn't convert to anything else, I just realised that I'm an atheist). For instance, it's traditional to vigil with the dead the night after they die (they're meant to be buried the next day), and you're meant to chant the Psalms when you do so. I wasn't actually there, but when someone died a while ago I decided to read the Psalms at home for them. This was the first time I'd read my way through all of the Psalms. I was used to encountering only a small number of Psalms, either through synagogue services or generally (e.g. the popular ones that get turned into hymns), and I was horrified to find that most of them are actually pretty bloodthirty battle songs, high on the smiting, low on the peace to all humanity. I also generally found that the more I got to know the Bible, and the more I read up on anthropology and contextualised it, the less I believed, but obviously that's just my personal opinion and it doesn't work that way for everyone.

[mirrorshard.livejournal.com]

It is, indeed, impossible to be a good Christian if you read the Bible literally and approvingly. It's also quite easy not to be a good Christian if you just accept what dodgy pastors tell you about it, mind.

[friend-of-tofu.livejournal.com]

It's possible to be a good Christian and ignore the Old Testament entirely though, I'd say.

Although you (probably) already know my feelings on Paul...

[mirabehn.livejournal.com]

*nods* The Psalms are rather alarming. I barely knew any before singing in an Anglican chapel choir at Cambridge. We would get through all of them, eventually, so we did *all* of them, including the ones that are bloodthirsty and/or downright silly. And had to chant them to those rather strange and conversational (but sometimes pretty) Anglican psalm-chants.

I was already not really a Christian anymore (and when I was, I took very much the attitude that mirrorshard takes, as it's what I grew up with from my parents and is a path that still makes a great deal of sense to me), so the bloodthirsty ones generally bothered me less than the ones it was hard to keep a straight face during. All that stuff about the oil dropping down Aaron's beard, yea, even unto the beard of Aaron.

But there is one about ripping babies from wombs (I can't remember it precisely) that just made me feel ill.

[mirabehn.livejournal.com]

And in the interests of honesty, as a pagan and a pantheist-polytheist, I should add that most Deities seem to change a great deal, and an awful lot of them have pasts that involve too much smiting. A lot of Gods who are very common in pagan pantheons no less than the Jewish, Christian and Muslim God; I get irritated with fellow-pagans who get self-righteous about that.

And there I probably reach the limits of my rather embryonic theology. I may have more to offer on this subject in a few months or years. ;-)