Policemen are not our Enemy

[mirrorshard]

After the Late Unpleasantness at Bishopsgate, I've thankfully seen a very sensible attitude towards the police from all my friends-list. A couple of times, though, I've seen commenters talking about "pigs" or "filth", as though the police were some monumental dehumanized bloc. Please, if someone does this on your journal, point them to this.

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[fjm.livejournal.com]

Im having a hard time reading a post that assumes violence on the part of the victims. Hillsborough has been well researched: there was no violence, only an assumption that violence was inevitable and that therefore what the police were seeing was violence.

I do believe that this has been precisely the problem during the G20 protests: 90 complaints and counting, and lots of lovely independent video to corroborate something we've known about for years, and both individuals and insitutional structures have been denying.

Turns out--just for example--that some police officers were blacking out their numbers, an accusation that has been made and denies for well over thirty years.

So while I agree with your post about language, I'm not sure I agree with your title.

[mirrorshard.livejournal.com]

You make good points. I'm extremely aware that there are deep systematic problems... I suppose the title is as much wishful thinking, or a statement of faith, as a statement of fact.

Fundamentally, I think, I just don't want to think of all this in terms of Enemies. I'm sure there are some people who'd see that as a weakness on my part; I know you're not one of them.

[fjm.livejournal.com]

One thing it's worth being aware of is the history of the police force: most police forces were established with the very specific remit of protecting property from the forces of disorder. I was always a bit skeptical of this until I went on a tour of a police station in the late 1980s and heard this, word for word, from the mouth of the Sergeant.

The police really are there to control us, protection is pretty far down the list.

[mirrorshard.livejournal.com]

I heard Jerry White speak on the history of the Met at the Museum in Docklands last summer, so I know the history fairly well. I suppose it's pragmatism on my part; we're stuck with a police force, so we may as well try for a halfway sane one.

Speaking of misunderstandings, here's (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8007580.stm) a juicy one -

former shadow home secretary David Davis said the actions of a minority of police officers had undermined the trust and confidence of the public.

"We have a police force in this country, uniquely in the world.... [which] comes from Robert Peel's original proposal the police will be of the public and the public will be of the police. They are indistinguishable, they are the public in uniform. And that trust and confidence is critical."

[elettaria.livejournal.com]

Yes, that quotation struck me as fairly nutty. I mean, yes, the police are more or less on our side, we're not living in a totalitarian state, but apart from that it really doesn't apply.

How are you finding the way the media is continuing to cover this? From reading the BBC, I think it's improving, but they still do things like quote the police (or their pals) as saying that the kettling was essential to contain the violence, without mentioning that it wasn't a violent situation and that many believe that kettling, when used in those circumstances, is actually more likely to create hostility.

[fjm.livejournal.com]

Oh lovely!

As an aside: Jerry White's NIneteenth Century London argues that the police were deliberately drawn from rural areas, both because of better health and height and precisely because they would have no local loyalties.

[elettaria.livejournal.com]

Which immediately makes me wonder whether they'd have been mocked for accent differences and so forth. Perhaps this is where the "PC Plod" stereotype grew from?

[fjm.livejournal.com]

Good point: the slow voices of the country against the quick fire of the metropolis.

[mirrorshard.livejournal.com]

Absolutely - I thought of that when he was blathering about "the same people, just in uniform".