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Somhairle Kelly ([personal profile] mirrorshard) wrote2009-09-08 06:31 pm
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Benefits applications & disability

Or, Why filling in the forms really is hard work, and why the process sent my mental health spiralling downwards.

A lot of you, O my readership, have been on government benefits or had a partner or close friend who has, and for you there is no need to explain that it really is unpleasant, counterproductive, interminable, and soul-destroying. On the other hand, there's a pervasive sense amongst some sections of the British public (and the media) that benefits are money for old rope; all you have to do is fill in a couple of forms, turn up to a couple of interviews, and then you're living the life of Riley.



One experience more or less all of you will have in common is the job interview, so let's use that as an analogy. You start by filling in forms and writing up your CV, and you want to tell them all about the wonderful things you've done and how competent and capable you are, how any company would be lucky to employ you. Maybe you stretch the truth a little, make out that a particular situation turned out better than it did, that you were the pivot that turned a failing team around, that it was your bright idea which took a company from ruination to roses in six months flat. That's fine; everyone does it a bit. Everyone expects it when they're hiring. That's how it works. And then you go for the interview, and you have to live the CV you wrote - you have to convince yourself, inhabit the bright shining persona you devised, fake it till you make it. And there's nothing wrong with that, because we're all performing our own lives, creating ourselves as we go along, becoming the person we want to be. And if somehow they don't realise you're perfect for them, there's plenty more out there, after all.

Try imagining doing it in reverse.

You've got the form; what the DWP want to find out from it is just how incompetent and incapable you are. If you aren't incapable enough, you won't get hired. If you have too much success behind you, if you've got solid accomplishments and learned skills, you're going to have to answer tricky questions about them, and prove that they aren't real and useful after all. And you're getting graded on your answers, and if they catch you out in an inconsistency then you won't even get to the interview stage. And this one's important; it's the only shot you've got at the only job you can do, with the only employer in town. So you stretch the truth a little, make out that a particular situation turned out worse than it did, that it was your disability that made a team collapse and fall apart, that if you were to get up and go into business for yourself you could lose a million in no time.

And then you go for the interview, and you have to live the CV you wrote - you have to convince yourself, inhabit the dull haggard persona you devised, fake it till you fail hard enough to satisfy them. And if there's ever anything calculated to reinforce a poor self-image, that's it. If anything can institutionalise failure, that's it.

And remember, your only points of contact with the system are an information-only website designed for the reading age of a bright 10-year-old by someone who'd never tried to use the system themselves, and a perpetually overloaded and underfunded call centre equipped with the best call-waiting system 1982 has to offer. You don't get to talk to the same person twice; you get a succession of interchangeable powerless cubicle workers who can't do anything more than talk to the confusing badly designed computer system on your behalf. Oh, and it's an 0845 number, which means it's only free if you're using a BT landline. So that's about twenty quid you've paid to apply, already.

There's a Jobcentre just down the road, but you're not allowed to go in and talk to them; you have to wait for a couple of hours in a phone queue (or even attempting to get into the phone queue) before you can make an appointment, and nobody has the time to help you work out what you really need and share the information through the system. Instead, you get shoved into the nearest square hole they can find, and Heaven help you if your situation is at all unusual.

It's possible to fill out the form online, but the process is confusing and complicated enough that I tried and gave up after ten minutes in favour of paper & pen.

Once you've sent off your completed form, they might well lose it; the best thing to do is take a photocopy, get it certified, and send that off. You have to mail it; you can't hand it in at a Jobcentre and get them to sign for it and send it through the internal mail any more. And they won't photocopy and certify it for you without an appointment, and there isn't any way to get one of those without three hours dealing with the phone line. You'd do best to send it recorded-signed-for, too, because then at least you know it's got to their mailroom. That's another fiver.

Which doesn't mean it's got to anyone who can read it and enter the data; it could take another two or three weeks to work its way through the system and start a response on its way to you. And then, if they have all the information they need, and if you have a complete set of doctors' certificates (which you might have to talk fast and argue your GP into giving you - I did) covering the entire period of your application without a break, they'll start paying you some money. You get a total of £54.90 a week, plus housing benefit if you applied for that too - which means another form and another bureacracy to negotiate with, and another set of supporting documents to give them in another place too.

And that's an interim payment; at this point, if they decide later you're not entitled to it after all, they'll not only stop paying you but make you repay what you've already had. For that matter, if there's any irregularity they'll suspend payments, without telling you they're doing it. An irregularity would be something like not getting a doctor's certificate for May before the one you sent them for April runs out; bear in mind that it takes three weeks for any given document to work its way through the combination of Royal Mail (two days) and the DWP mail routing & backlog (nearly three weeks). You'd better bear that in mind, because they won't.

In a while after that, they'll schedule you for an interview with a doctor at Atos healthcare, who will ask a lot of things you already told them and then check whether you can read with your glasses on. If you're really lucky, they'll ask you to suggest an interview day & time; if not, they'll just assign you one. You can change it once if it doesn't work for you; if you try more than that, the computer system won't let them put in another and sends you back to the DWP to start again. Atos, at least, pay your expenses travelling there... two weeks later, which means they had the use of £15 of my money for two weeks and I didn't. That's really quite petty.

The DWP also send you for an optional work-focused interview with a different private contractor, who ask you all the same questions and try and work out what you're capable of, and then sit back and ask "OK, how can we help you back into work?" as though, at that point, what you wanted was anything but for them to stop waving hoops around and just give you your money. It's optional, of course, because it's designed to help you. On the other hand, if you don't turn up or if they think you aren't cooperating, your benefits get stopped.

Then there's a different work-focused interview, with Atos again; I haven't had this one, because I had to reschedule it once ("No, I can't get to Romford for 8:45 AM. Sorry.") and then had to try that again ("I have swine flu. You don't want me to come in. ...I can't reschedule it? Computer says no? OK, so the DWP will send me a letter about doing it some other time... I'll wait for that, then. Thanks."). Still waiting, of course.

The bright side of that is that they're now paying me. I get a grand total of £160 a week, which has to cover everything including rent. That works out to an annual income of £8,320. And the reason that's so high is because I managed to convince them I was disabled not workshy, and because I'm over 25 and living in London. Otherwise, it could go as low as £6,500 or so. I'm lucky, of course; I don't smoke, don't drink much, and don't keep a car, and I don't have any dependents.

For comparison, the Rowntree Foundation's research has found that the general consensus in the UK is that you need £13,900 to pay for the essentials of an acceptable standard of living. If you can work, and find someone who'll hire you to work 40 hours a week at the national minimum wage, you'll get £11,900 or so.

It's been a hideously unpleasant experience, and it's taken me six months and left me quite a bit more depressed and less functional than I started. That was with my girlfriend filling in the forms for me, the CAB writing letters on my behalf, and a letter from my MP to JobcentrePlus. And I have bucketloads of privilege here, too - I'm a fairly well spoken white guy over 30, with letters after his name, who knows his rights and resources. I know enough to turn up in a suit and tie when I need to get them to take me seriously, and to wear the same T-shirt three days running before the interview so they don't decide I'm too together and capable to have depression. So yes, I'm coping with the process a lot better than most people with my condition do. And it's been breaking me.

[identity profile] mirrorshard.livejournal.com 2009-09-08 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Which, if I'm translating from Economics to Standard English correctly, means "yes, but they've got to pay for it somehow, and better to use real money for it" ;) I agree with that, of course, and wouldn't object in the slightest to a redistributive tax system.

Of course, like everyone else, I have a nice list of things that should be cut to pay for a better and more human benefits system... they're mostly large one-time projects, but that would at least provide the investment in infrastructure that the system so desperately needs. There's enough money going into the DWP and being spent again to keep all the claimants funded at a higher level than at present, but it's being spent on the wrong things.
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[personal profile] emperor 2009-09-08 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
What saddens me is that all the civil servants I know are decent hard-working (often over-worked) people trying to do their level best; and yet the result, at least as far as benefits goes, is so abundantly clearly not fit for purpose. I suspect it really doesn't help that no politician is ever going to say "let's make life easier for people on benefits" :-(

[identity profile] lovelybug.livejournal.com 2009-09-08 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Sympathy - I'm doing all this shit too just now - first Atos interview yesterday grim and involved crying in the waiting room and freaking out at the size of their insanely huge open plan of doom.

[identity profile] fu-manchu12.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
This post made me think, and fewer things manage that than I'd like. Thank you for saying it.
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[identity profile] megamole.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 07:43 am (UTC)(link)
Done.
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[identity profile] sunlightdances.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 08:15 am (UTC)(link)
So, so much empathy. They lost my details four times, and decided not to pay me and didn't inform me. I eventually got an apology because I sent times and dates to my local MP and left it to a voice of authority to wield some power. I don't want to think about what would have happened if I hadn't had my parents. Ugh.

And after seeing programmes about secret DWP filming, I worry about how well I look when I'm out, too. If I smile at everyone, will they think I'm cured? When I start uni, will they say I was well enough to work all that time, and make me pay the money back? I've no idea, and I'm very scared.

[identity profile] shuripentu.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Just reading your experience has brought me back into that fun place of paranoia and screaming. I'm almost certainly too chipper for benefits now, but were I to try to apply anyway, I reckon I'd be well and truly crazy enough to qualify by the time I was done. (Possibly not just for benefits but also for sectioning.) It's like they're actively trying to make people ill or something.
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[identity profile] yoyoangel.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for writing this.

[identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, this, exactly. Your opening paragraphs reminded me forcefully of trying to get the help I needed from medical professionals at university. It's completely counter-intuitive. The best way of getting the results you need is to seem completely hopeless, cry at them - whereas I found that tension made me very cold and precise, and endless worrying about the conversation meant that in the appointment, my description of my state of health was well-thought-out and and articulate. Clearly I didn't need any help!

Asking for help is hard enough anyway, without being punished for it.

I'm going to point this at [livejournal.com profile] steerpikelet, if she hasn't seen it already - she writes a well-read blog and works for mental health magazine One in Four, and might well be able to get this a wider audience.

[identity profile] libellum.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:19 pm (UTC)(link)
In fact, her most recent article (http://pennyred.blogspot.com/2009/09/hypocrisy-and-death-of-welfare-state.html) is very relevant, if you haven't already read it.

Well done for writing this, by the way - it must have taken a lot of grit.

[identity profile] mirrorshard.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I have - in fact, I saw that article just before starting writing this last night. It's something I've been meaning to write about for quite a while, but that helped push me to it.

As for grit - by now, I have more grit than the A12 in January. The problem is finding the energy to apply it and get myself into a frame of mind where I can believe in its usefulness. The comments I've been getting here have certainly helped.

[identity profile] mirrorshard.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Oof, much sympathy to you too!

..WTF? They hold medical(ish) interviews with benefits claimants in an open plan office? The one I went to, in Romford, at least had an interview room with a closed door.

[identity profile] mirrorshard.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:38 pm (UTC)(link)
You are entirely welcome!
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[identity profile] megamole.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
FYI, this article may be read by the Shadow Health Secretary.

[identity profile] mirrorshard.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for passing it on!

[identity profile] keira-online.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Well done for putting all the frustration and inconsistancies etc of the system into a brillant piece of writing. There's a couple of people I'd like to wave this at, most of whom don't have LJ, can they read it without having an account?

Its a horrible situation, its not as if any of us like being ill. I know I don't fit in any of the DWP boxes, after all who would take time off work sick for medical treatment??? Although I think I got lucky on that, its been deemed impractical for me to attend any interviews as it'd take time out of the treatment.

[identity profile] yvesilena.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
AARGH, just AARGH. I can't believe how awful that is.

Brilliantly written, and I gather it's already getting waved around/potentially waved around in some fairly impressive places, so go you.

But aaaagh... I'm so sorry, I don't even know why I'm apologising, I just apologise on behalf of the world that you and so many other people have to go through this CRAP. I don't know which is worse, the fail-interview or the amount of nigh-impossible hoops you have to jump through while having depression or whatever else. I HAVE a job and I couldn't deal with that.

I hope your writing this achieves something, because it deserves to.

*huuuuuuuuggggggs*

[identity profile] vashti.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
:( :(

But I am so glad and so grateful that you wrote this. I've never felt able to describe what the process does to me, and you've done it so well. Here's to you getting out of the box soon.

[identity profile] vashti.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, a hundred times this. I am not well enough to work. The chance that I will ever be is negligible. Yet I'm terrified to be as well as I can be, because if someone actually sees me on the few days a year (I'm not exaggerating) that I'm well enough to leave my house and be happy and bright and confident and chatty? I'm fucked.

FWIW, I have come off IB to attend uni (briefly) and nobody brought up repayments. That was in 2001. they're just glad to get rid of you, for the most part.

[identity profile] tattercoats.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
Here via smallship1 via vashti...

Oohboy. Reading that made me feel hot and cold all over and took me right back to my worst times - and that's a *good* thing. I'm not there now, and it's good and right that I remember how utterly dehumanising and damaging the process is - as it's right and proper that those who've never been through it get to hear what it does to the most articulate and well-intentioned petitioner.

Thank you for putting this into words so lucidly and so well, and for sharing it. You're right on every point; the system assumes you are dishonest and then *makes you so*.

I hope and wish that some confluence of circumstances improves your situation soon. Yes, call in the big guns. Keep calling them.

This is inhumane, counterproductive and as you say, it breaks people.

[identity profile] kelemvor.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 08:54 am (UTC)(link)
Aaargh.

[livejournal.com profile] vashti pointed me here. This strike so many chords with my attempts at claiming JSA (I had a letter of dismissal and everything!) and, more recently, sorting out Dad's housing benefit and council tax benefit. He's on a state and a private pension, total net income for the year is less than £10,500, and the hoops are being moved ever-higher and shrinking.

Something desperately needs to be done about this. I wonder what...

[identity profile] pbristow.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
Thankyou for this.

I'm not out of work due to illness, but illness does impact the kind of work I can take, and is not exactly helped by dealing with the insanities of the benefits system in the meantime.

The absurdity of a system that actually *penalises* you (by snatching back 100% of the income while leaving you to pay your own expenses) for taking on small amounts of work (of which there are many needing to be done), while waiting for the big one (of which there are very few available) to miraculously appear, is *deeply* apparent to me at this time... =:o{

My modest proposal: Scrap the system of multiple bands for income tax and means testing for JSA; Just issue money equal to the current level of JSA plus standard housing benefit to all legal British citizens automatically, and then tax all additional income at 40%. That way, everyone has enough money for basic survival; everyone has exactly the same incentive as each other to do as much work as they are reasonably able to in order to get above basic survival to actual comfort level and beyond; employers don't have to artificilaly lump together three part-time jobs to make a full time one that's worth the applicants while to apply for; etc. etc. The average or above-average citizen is no worse off; the poor have a genuine chance to become better off by working as much as/when they're able (rather than committing themselves to long-term jobs which they're likely to seasonally "under-perform" in if the have severe SAD, to pick one example), but even if they can't they're no worse off than now. (Might need to tweak the exact percentage of taxation a percent or two either way to fully balance the books, but you get the principle.)

Of course, vast armies of civil servants currently employed by the Department of Perky Wenches will lose their jobs. But since most of them seem to be quitting after a few years with nervous breakdowns anyway, maybe they'll see that as a long-term win...? =:o\
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[identity profile] mirrorshard.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
We can't even be generous and argue that the DWP just haven't caught up to the working practices of 2009; if I'm recalling correctly, most of the working class was scraping by on piece-work and short-term casual employment in 1989.

Are you familiar with the Citizen's Basic Income (http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2005/04/the_case_for_ba.html) proposals? I'm not sure offhand what they suggest about taxes, or what levels they suggest, but it looks like a good thing from here.

[Edit: I very much don't agree with a lot of the author's comments in that post I linked, but he's got plenty to say and it's all interesting.]
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[identity profile] pbristow.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
BTW, to reduce the risk of hijacking your post, I've reposted this (tweaked a bit) in my own LJ. Anyone wishing to dismantle my proposal is welcome to come and do so here: http://pbristow.livejournal.com/535448.html =:o}

[identity profile] pbristow.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 01:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd heard of the CBI idea, or something like it, as long ago as 1984. =:o} It's basically what my proposal is, but with more details fleshed out. Looking around, people supporting the idea seem to generally agree on the universal 40% income tax level, but disagree on what the CBI amount should be. (There's also the "negative tax" idea, which mathematically works out to exactly the same thing (i.e. in terms of who ends up getting how much money after tax), but looked at from a different angle, possibly leading to a different method of implementation and might be easier to sell, politically).

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