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Somhairle Kelly ([personal profile] mirrorshard) wrote2009-02-03 01:27 pm
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Epic SF Fail

Via Tor.com: Global Warming is good for us.

I may have lost my temper slightly in the comments and posted one longer than the original article.

[identity profile] blue-mai.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know the author, but the way it was written, i just assumed it was meant to reveal the opposite of the title. ie. Taking what too may people really believe to its logical extension (everything will be ok! we'll live on Venus!) but not so far that it is easily dismissed as ridiculous by those same people. Probably the wrong forum though.
That was a really interesting bee article you linked to, thanks...

[identity profile] sleetersoulfire.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the main problem though is that it's written very well in that if you're coming from a point of view that believes that to all be non-sense then you can read irony into it but if you're coming from the other point of view then you can see it as sense.

Devious. Very devious. ;)

[identity profile] pfy.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The more I read it, the more I think you're right and it's meant to be satire. It takes an attitude that some people really have ("Sure, maybe some people will die because they're poor or live in the wrong place, and somewhere I don't care about will turn to desert, and a bunch of creatures will die out... but I don't have to do anything, someone else will do all the hard work to support my comfortable life for me"), and takes it to the level of utter batshit lunacy. Global warming means we'll be ready for surface temperatures that can melt lead, no oxygen, and 92 times standard atmospheric pressure when we go to Venus!

[identity profile] mirrorshard.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
To an extent I think you're right here, but large parts of the SF culture really has gone through extended periods of "wouldn't it be great if we could go and live in tin cans around Ceres/migrate into computers/evolve into things capable of breathing fart gas".

I don't have any confidence that the Tor commissioning editors didn't commission someone from the lunatic nutjob fringe to raise controversy (and the article's full of dogwhistles), and I didn't look up $random_person beforehand, but after all that, you're probably right and it's an attempt at satire.

I'm not going to regret explicating it for the even-harder-of-noticing than I am, though!

[identity profile] blue-mai.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely i agree you're right to. But actually now i think it's quite a good piece - for satire (to be honest i'm not very clear on what that means which is why i didn't describe it as such) to be effective at changing people's minds, rather than just preaching to the converted in an inside joke kind of way, it has to be not that obvious. Ideally a realisation should dawn on the reader it's aimed at, perhaps sometime later.
Of course it doesn't have a very high success rate, but i think if/when it does, it's probably a lot more effective than being disagreed with in a straightforward manner.
I suppose there needs to be a campaign of various amounts of being-hit-over-the-head-with-it and in a wide variety of places...

[identity profile] pfy.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't comment on SF culture, or even parts of it, but I think I recognise the mindset you describe (latching onto a fascinating idea and dismissing impracticalities as stuff someone can figure out later.. heck, there are places where that's called "project management").

And, yes, regardless of the author's actual stance, I'm sure the article was meant to be controversial. Calm, in-depth rebuttals in the comments are a good thing if they make people think instead of instantly dismissing/accepting the article at face value. If the author wrote it specifically to attract detailed rebuttals, it would be heartwarmingly cunning.

[identity profile] neonchameleon.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm afraid that that reads as satire to me (especially as I really wouldn't expect [livejournal.com profile] pnh or [livejournal.com profile] tnh to commission the lunatic nutjob fringe).